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PostSubject: CHIKARA!!!   Mon May 03, 2010 8:14 pm

CHIKARA rules. It's the best independent promotion ever. It's got skinny guys who kill themselves. And the BDK. You should watch it. If you don't, I'll make Acey ban you.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Tue May 04, 2010 3:59 pm

Prefer PWG TBH. Sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Tue May 04, 2010 4:53 pm

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Prefer PWG TBH. Sorry.
I'm not too educated on the indies so if you could post a link that would be awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Tue May 04, 2010 6:50 pm

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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Tue May 04, 2010 7:23 pm

I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Tue May 04, 2010 7:50 pm

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I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade

The thing is though, all the silly gimmicks and comedy bullshit stay in their silly gimmick comedy bullshit matches. They've had plenty of feuds with zero comedy at all, recently with the BDK, before with Brodie Lee/Castagnoli, or Kingston/Castagnoli, or the story of the CHIKARA Special.

Also, Dragon Dragon doesn't wrestle any more, El Hijo Del Ice Cream only did the sprinkle gimmick once or twice, and FIST v. Colony was a comedy match.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Wed May 05, 2010 2:51 pm

TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade

The thing is though, all the silly gimmicks and comedy bullshit stay in their silly gimmick comedy bullshit matches. They've had plenty of feuds with zero comedy at all, recently with the BDK, before with Brodie Lee/Castagnoli, or Kingston/Castagnoli, or the story of the CHIKARA Special.

Also, Dragon Dragon doesn't wrestle any more, El Hijo Del Ice Cream only did the sprinkle gimmick once or twice, and FIST v. Colony was a comedy match.

No dude, I dont mind comedy... Thats not my problem. Its just the things they find funny and what they are doing. I am sure you have seen more CHIKARA than me so I may be wrong, they might not do as much silly BS as I think. But its like all indys and its hard to follow. But then thing is white guys like CC, Kingston (who I love) I can get them on CZW and ROH just as I can CHIKARA. I love Human Tornado and he does comedy matches too. But thats like one guy, who several people have silly things and gimmicks IDK. And that whole mascot wrestling has really got me buggin too. LoL. affraid
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Wed May 05, 2010 9:24 pm

bigfloridapimp wrote:
TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade

The thing is though, all the silly gimmicks and comedy bullshit stay in their silly gimmick comedy bullshit matches. They've had plenty of feuds with zero comedy at all, recently with the BDK, before with Brodie Lee/Castagnoli, or Kingston/Castagnoli, or the story of the CHIKARA Special.

Also, Dragon Dragon doesn't wrestle any more, El Hijo Del Ice Cream only did the sprinkle gimmick once or twice, and FIST v. Colony was a comedy match.

No dude, I dont mind comedy... Thats not my problem. Its just the things they find funny and what they are doing. I am sure you have seen more CHIKARA than me so I may be wrong, they might not do as much silly BS as I think. But its like all indys and its hard to follow. But then thing is white guys like CC, Kingston (who I love) I can get them on CZW and ROH just as I can CHIKARA. I love Human Tornado and he does comedy matches too. But thats like one guy, who several people have silly things and gimmicks IDK. And that whole mascot wrestling has really got me buggin too. LoL. affraid

But CZW is a bunch of green guys botching, followed up with a bunch of slightly talented guys bleeding. And ROH is like, hipster wrestling, faux-indie and pretentious as fuck.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Wed May 05, 2010 9:34 pm

TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade

The thing is though, all the silly gimmicks and comedy bullshit stay in their silly gimmick comedy bullshit matches. They've had plenty of feuds with zero comedy at all, recently with the BDK, before with Brodie Lee/Castagnoli, or Kingston/Castagnoli, or the story of the CHIKARA Special.

Also, Dragon Dragon doesn't wrestle any more, El Hijo Del Ice Cream only did the sprinkle gimmick once or twice, and FIST v. Colony was a comedy match.

No dude, I dont mind comedy... Thats not my problem. Its just the things they find funny and what they are doing. I am sure you have seen more CHIKARA than me so I may be wrong, they might not do as much silly BS as I think. But its like all indys and its hard to follow. But then thing is white guys like CC, Kingston (who I love) I can get them on CZW and ROH just as I can CHIKARA. I love Human Tornado and he does comedy matches too. But thats like one guy, who several people have silly things and gimmicks IDK. And that whole mascot wrestling has really got me buggin too. LoL. affraid

But CZW is a bunch of green guys botching, followed up with a bunch of slightly talented guys bleeding. And ROH is like, hipster wrestling, faux-indie and pretentious as fuck.


Christopher Daniels, Human Tornado, Chris Hero, Sonjay Dutt, Eddie Kingston (A man you named as being good in CHIKARA), Steen and Generico, just to name a few are CZW alumni. And yes there are green guys there, but theres one dude whos a future stud in Drake Younger, and then theres Ruckus and Sabian who are a great tag team with crazy talent. CHIKARA is an indy that also has alot of green guys too. ROH IDK about hipster, I mean the new trending indy would be DG USA more so than ROH now. And IDK, ROH is kinda in the middle they are main stream and indy at the same time so I can see why you might see them in some sorta way.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Wed May 05, 2010 9:48 pm

bigfloridapimp wrote:
TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
TripleMerc wrote:
bigfloridapimp wrote:
I am sorry, but CHIKARA is the joke of indys. Sure, they can put on good matches and they do so quite a bit. But when comparing to CZW, PWG, DG USA? I mean... Its just silly promotion. I cant take it serious (if I am even supposed to) when they have wrestlers wrestling in mascot costumes (see Dragon Dragon) and a faction known as the Ant Colony... Then theres a ice cream guy, who has sprinkles that he uses like Abyss uses thumbtacks, thing is they are put over as death. CHIKARA granted like I said can do some nice stuff and put on good matches. But its like cartoon wrestling, its silly, I wish it was on TV so that my 5 yr old nephew could watch it. BUT not for me...


Dragon Dragon


The Ice Cream Man and the Sprinkles of Death


Chuck Taylor, kills an ant, with an invisible grenade

The thing is though, all the silly gimmicks and comedy bullshit stay in their silly gimmick comedy bullshit matches. They've had plenty of feuds with zero comedy at all, recently with the BDK, before with Brodie Lee/Castagnoli, or Kingston/Castagnoli, or the story of the CHIKARA Special.

Also, Dragon Dragon doesn't wrestle any more, El Hijo Del Ice Cream only did the sprinkle gimmick once or twice, and FIST v. Colony was a comedy match.

No dude, I dont mind comedy... Thats not my problem. Its just the things they find funny and what they are doing. I am sure you have seen more CHIKARA than me so I may be wrong, they might not do as much silly BS as I think. But its like all indys and its hard to follow. But then thing is white guys like CC, Kingston (who I love) I can get them on CZW and ROH just as I can CHIKARA. I love Human Tornado and he does comedy matches too. But thats like one guy, who several people have silly things and gimmicks IDK. And that whole mascot wrestling has really got me buggin too. LoL. affraid

But CZW is a bunch of green guys botching, followed up with a bunch of slightly talented guys bleeding. And ROH is like, hipster wrestling, faux-indie and pretentious as fuck.


Christopher Daniels, Human Tornado, Chris Hero, Sonjay Dutt, Eddie Kingston (A man you named as being good in CHIKARA), Steen and Generico, just to name a few are CZW alumni. And yes there are green guys there, but theres one dude whos a future stud in Drake Younger, and then theres Ruckus and Sabian who are a great tag team with crazy talent. CHIKARA is an indy that also has alot of green guys too. ROH IDK about hipster, I mean the new trending indy would be DG USA more so than ROH now. And IDK, ROH is kinda in the middle they are main stream and indy at the same time so I can see why you might see them in some sorta way.

I don't care who used to wrestle for CZW. Last time I saw them (which wasn't too long ago), their undercard was one of the most annoyingly amateurish productions ever, there was a good match with a couple of guys who I can't remember, and then the main event was some stupid deathmatch with guys who could easily put on way toned down hardcore matches that would tear any house down anywhere, but no, apparently torture porn is the in-thing now in wrestling. And as for Drake Younger, he is another Sick Nick Mondo, he's as talented as they come but he's gonna have a short as fuck career.

As for CHIKARA's green guys, yeah, they're green, but generally they're put with people who can hide their green nature until they get more talented, or they're at least given something they can really work with to put on entertaining and memorable matches. Guys like Frightmare were putting on good matches in their first years because they had guys to work with that could make them look better, while their talents developed.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Thu May 06, 2010 3:38 am

Hate CZW, just backyard wrestling in an arena setting. It sucks hard.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Thu May 06, 2010 9:30 am

Uh oh controversy!?!

Well it's okay because I don't watch indies anyway!! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Thu May 06, 2010 10:20 am

Acey wrote:
Well it's okay because I don't watch indies anyway!! Smile

Which means you're WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Thu May 06, 2010 11:35 am

I guess because I mention CZW (which always causes a stir) people are just harping on it. Which that wasnt my intention to debate whether CZW was better than CHIKARA, I was simply saying theres other promotions that I think is better.

I myself really like CZW, but thats just me. I could go on and on how they have had great tech wrestlers go through there people hold to a high regard. I mention their names in an above post. And I could go on to defend them in that their ULTRA VIOLENCE is actually few and far between. Unlike ECW where every match had no rules and the potential to become extreme, CZW on a 10 match card at most would have 3 such matches. And usually they have a gimmick to them, and arent just "do what ever" which I really like.

My point was, is that from everything in CHIKARA I have seen down to their website it all seems like it is the cartoon promotion of the wrestling world. And after a while of such silly and outrageous things I just dont get into it. But even then I also said I am sure they can put on great matches, because it is an indy and all the indy's at one time or another have the same people on them. I mean Chuck Taylor (PWG), CC (ROH), and so on. But when I think of CHIKARA made wrestlers I think of Ice Cream men, Ants, and Dragon mascots. When I think of ROH made guys, I think Wolfe (Nigel) and Danielson. When I think of CZW, I think of Drake Younger, Sick Nick Mondo, BLK-OUT, Eddie Kingston, and PWG made Human Tornado and Chuck Taylor. But then again... I probably havent seen as much CHIKARA as you (Merc) so I know I dont know as muc, I can only go off what I have seen.



EDIT* And in your opening post you say that CHIKARA has skinny guys who kill themselves. Now, I could say that they are just spot monkeys (even though I hate that term.) and they are just too green to put on a good match without high spots. I mean CZW does alot of the same... Theres a guy named Rich Swan, really green guy in CZW, but he can do a 450 splash, standing on the ground (yea not off the top rope.) so I am just sayin...


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PostSubject: Re: CHIKARA!!!   Thu May 06, 2010 4:46 pm

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I myself really like CZW, but thats just me. I could go on and on how they have had great tech wrestlers go through there people hold to a high regard. I mention their names in an above post. And I could go on to defend them in that their ULTRA VIOLENCE is actually few and far between. Unlike ECW where every match had no rules and the potential to become extreme, CZW on a 10 match card at most would have 3 such matches. And usually they have a gimmick to them, and arent just "do what ever" which I really like.

But not every ECW match was extreme either. And I'm pretty sure ECW wasn't the land of thumbtack landmine broken glass barefoot cement block dvds of "The Condemned" deathmatch either. ECW's "hardcore" was - in retrospect, incredibly tame. But, it was effective, and most of the wrestlers were able to do it right. (With some exceptions, of course.)

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My point was, is that from everything in CHIKARA I have seen down to their website it all seems like it is the cartoon promotion of the wrestling world.


CHIKARA's about as cartoony as CZW is violent. Of course, without watching a lot, you're not gonna be like "Oh, well, these guys are bleeding/dressing like homosexuals, while these guys are putting on solid technical matches, and these guys are doing other things, as well! What a multi-leveled and balanced promotion!" But they both are. Except CHIKARA would probably get the same PG rating WWE gets now.

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But when I think of CHIKARA made wrestlers I think of Ice Cream men, Ants, and Dragon mascots. When I think of ROH made guys, I think Wolfe (Nigel) and Danielson. When I think of CZW, I think of Drake Younger, Sick Nick Mondo, BLK-OUT, Eddie Kingston, and PWG made Human Tornado and Chuck Taylor. But then again... I probably havent seen as much CHIKARA as you (Merc) so I know I dont know as muc, I can only go off what I have seen.

CHIKARA-made stars, at least to me: Brodie Lee, Icarus, Gran Akuma, Colin Delaney, Vin Gerard, Ultramantis Black, Tim Donst, Hallowicked, Amasis and Ophidian. None of those guys have silly gimmicks (except, arguably, Ultramantis, but he makes it work pretty well). All of those guys have incredible talent.

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EDIT* And in your opening post you say that CHIKARA has skinny guys who kill themselves. Now, I could say that they are just spot monkeys (even though I hate that term.) and they are just too green to put on a good match without high spots. I mean CZW does alot of the same... Theres a guy named Rich Swan, really green guy in CZW, but he can do a 450 splash, standing on the ground (yea not off the top rope.) so I am just sayin...

They're spot monkeys in a sense. At least, some of them are. But unlike most, they sell well, have a crisp moveset, and in time, they get to turn their silly gimmicks into fully developed characters. For example, the Osirian Portal went from being two jobbers from Ancient Egypt into well developed personalities with a connection to the crowd and a hell of a collection of matches under their belts. Luckily, having guys like Quack, Claudio, et. al, allows green guys to get a chance to work veterans in 6-8 man tag matches a lot, allowing them to grow and develop more rapidly than most wrestlers who have the same length of time in the business.
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